PART II
Keith's a bit like my father. He likes to say Where are you going? He gets really annoyed with me if I go out in a restaurant when we're on tour. He'll say, Oh, why do you want to be seen everywhere, why don't you just order room service? Keith, dear, I'd like to go out for once. So he'll say, Why didn't you invite me? so we'll invite him and then he can turn it down or come. When he does come he makes a whole big deal about checking out the restaurant first, a real mafia deal. Got your seats, table, private room - he's just lovely. I just enjoy turning up.
Keith's
whole street image is self-destructive but that's not Keith really. His
public image tends to be a bit punk, but he really isn't harmful at all.
(Keith
is s)hy. Introverted. He's very nice, really. He can be a real bust, though
(laughs). If he's in his regular mood, he's great. But if he's in a bad
mood you can't be in a good mood with him, because he kind of dominates
the mood of the room... As I say, he's very introverted and to overcome
that he makes the appearance of being very carefree and brash, flailing
his arms and rubbing his hair when he comes into the room. He's a bit insecure,
I think.
To a
certain extent Keith has gotten very much like his father. He's very narrow-minded,
very sheltered and shuttered, and that helps to keep him going. He doesn't
want anything from the outside. Everybody knows what he wants and what
he likes and what he needs. Whether he's in Berlin or Tokyo, if you look
in the fridge there is always a shepherd's pie.... I can see the resemblance,
this kind of unmovable, unchangeable figure everybody flitters and moves
around. And Keith flies off on trantrums and gets very threatening. I've
seen Keith pointing guns at people, which is very scary stuff, especially
if they're loaded.
(Keith)
likes to think of himself as (a tyrant), but really he's just a pussycat,
to be perfectly honest. He just does what he's told, half the time. Don
Was (the co-producer on Voodoo Lounge) would
just say, PLAY IT - longer intro, and he'd do it. You know, sometimes
he gets very frustrated and doesn't like what's going on, and he's very
rude and unnecessarily gets too carried away with it, as if it's so really
important. But that's just because he's very short-tempered.
Every
once in a while (Keith) just seems to like to stir it up a little bit,
get everybody's blood going. It works. It's funny. He says it's deliberate,
but I think it's more really who Keith is. Sometimes he looks at things
and he wants to be the guy who landed on Gilligan's Island - Wrong Way.
Sometimes he just decides that everybody else is going that way, and I'm
going this way. It's part of his nature.
The band is getting better and better. The guys are knocking
me out, you know. And that makes me happy. And if I'm happy it keeps everybody
else happy. Because when I'm unhappy, forget about it.
Keith
has a way of putting things together. He's always surprising you, pulling
things out of the air. And he's hilariously funny. Him and Ron Wood together
are one of the great comedy acts, the way they develop situations, their
language. It's actually something I look forward to when we're going on
tour.
I'd
hate to be responsible if it's the Rolling Stones that have driven (Keith)
to drugs. I hope he didn't have to do that to keep the pressure going.
I don't think it's the Rolling Stones. It must be Keith. Whenever I've
asked Keith about drugs, he's said he likes them.
(I)t
seemed that (with drugs) Keith got more insecure when he should have got
more confident, as he was becoming a better musician and songwriter. On
the surface Keith seems to be confident but he is insecure and he hates
people to be aware of that. In the old days when Keith was heavily involved
with drugs, he couldn't be bothered to talk to you. You'd say hello and
he'd act like he had nothing to do with you and walk away. So I'd think,
Well,
fuck him. Another day I wouldn't say anything and Keith would say,
Hello
Bill, how are you? I'd be so shocked and surprised that he actually
bothered to say hello.
I
don't pay that much attention to (taking care of my health), just because
I've never had to. I'm very lucky in that everything always functioned
perfectly, even under the most incredible strains and amounts of chemicals.
But I think a lot of it has to do with a solid consciousness of it in a
regulatory system which serves me. I never took too much of anything. I
never went out for a big rush or complete obliteration. I sometimes find
that I've been up 5 days, and I'll collapse and just fall asleep, but that's
about the only thing that I do to myself and I only do that because I find
that I'm capable of doing it.
(Why
did I take heroin?) It was a damn good feeling, for starters. And we were
going through a lot of stuff. I could operate behind that. It gave me a
distance from everything that was going on around me. I could see things
happening - fast time, slow time. It was Stones business, Allen Klein stuff,
and then Brian dying. There was a lot of stuff happening, and it gave me
a sense of space. Eventually, I was so far in space, I was almost in the
atmosphere.
How did I handle (Keith's drug problems?) Oh, with difficulty.
It's never easy. I don't find it easy dealing with people with drug problems.
It helps if you're all taking drugs, all the same drugs. But anyone taking
heroin is thinking about taking heroin more than they're thinking about
anything else. That's the general rule about most drugs... I think that
people taking drugs occasionally are great. I think there's nothing wrong
with it. But if you do it the whole time, you don't produce as good things
as you could. It sounds like a puritanical statement, but it's based on
experience. You can produce many good things, but they take an awfully
long time... When Keith was taking heroin, it was very difficult to work.
He still was creative, but it took a long time. And everyone else was taking
drugs and drinking a tremendous amount, too. And it affected everyone in
certain ways. But I've never really talked to Keith about this stuff. So
I have no idea what he feels.
Believing
(your fame is)... very dangerous. It's not very good for people around
you, and even worse for yourself. That's my experience of it. It's one
of the reasons I don't regret zooming into the dope thing for so long.
It was an experiment that went on too long, but in a way that kept my feet
on the street when I could have just become some brat-ass, rich rock and
roll superstar bullshit, and done myself in in another way. In a way I
almost see it as I almost forced myself into that in order to counterbalance
this superstar shit that was going on around us... In retrospect, it shouldn't
have worked, but that's what I had to do. When I look at it now, that was
one of my rationalizations for it. And the other is, hell, I was just sort
of into De Quincey's Opium Eaters a century too late. (laughs) I
just saw myself as a laboratory: Well, let's see what this does.
I've
been an amateur chemist, a "drugologist". I always went by this old 1903
medical dictionary which was produced before drugs were considered bad
for you. If you were constipated you were told to go to the chemists and
get a little tincture of cocaine. If you had diarrhoea, then it was a grain
of heroin. I've abused drugs, but I didn't go into them without boning
up on them first.
I never
liked speed, and that's probably why I go more for depressants, because
my natural energy is very high. In the old days I really didn't want to
deal with being a star every day and you could kind of hide inside heroin,
it was like a cocoon; a soft wall between you and everything else. Probably
not the best solution to the problem, but at the time I didn't think about
that. It's an experiment that went on too long - getting heavily busted,
blowing it for the Stones and for my family. I had to stop so I did. People
talk about cocaine addiction all the time, but I know what addiction is:
opium, heroin, you know? That's when you're climbing the walls and you
see your own fingernail marks 'cause you think there's something behind
the wall. Cocaine is just a bad habit.
People
imagine that I'M the bourgeois one and Keith is a real tearaway. Perhaps
that's true but Keith is much more of a family man than I am. He stays
in one place much longer. Both of us like living in a family style even
if our approach is different. Keith shares with me a semi-delight in the
family. We're both very restless. We have energy for different things,
which come out in different places. Keith can stay in one place, but he's
just as restless whereas I keep moving.
There
is an image projected that people come for and take away with them and
give to their readers if they're journalists, and obviously there's a lot
of me in that image. I've never tried consciously to project it, but there's
not really much you can do about it. It's like a little shadow person that
you live with. In some situations, I'll realize, Uh, no, these people
expect me to do a REAL Keith Richards... and sometimes it's quite funny...
As long as you're aware of it, it's something to play with. I'd only get
worried if I really became like Keith Richards... whoever HE is (laughs).
People's
fascination with other people's bad habits is something you don't take
into consideration when you start this thing. Yeah, it's there - the image
of me with a parrot on my shoulder and a patch on the eye. But he's only
one side of it. I really like a quiet life: listen to my music, burn my
incense. I'm all for a quiet life, except I didn't get one.
I'm
a family man. I have little 2-year-old and 3-year-old girls that beat me
up. I'm not the guys I see on MTV, who obviously think they ARE me. There
are so many people who think that's all there is to it. It's not THAT easy
to be Keith Richards. But it's not so HARD, either. The main thing is to
know yourself... With my friends, the Keith Richards look is, like,
a great LAUGH.
I made
a determined effort after the last tour to get up with the family. Which
for me is a pretty impressive goal. But I did it - I'd get up at 7 in the
morning. After a few months, I was allowed to drive the kids to school.
Then I was allowed to take the garbage out. Before that, I didn't even
know where the recycling bin was. I read a lot. I might have a little sail
around Long Island Sound if the weather is all right. I do a lot of recording
in my basement, writing songs, keeping up to speed. I have no fixed routine.
I wander about the house, wait for the maids to clean the kitchen, then
fuck it all up again and do some frying. Patti and I go out once a week,
if there's something on in town - take the old lady out for dinner with
a bunch of flowers, get the rewards (smiles).
He's
such a strong personality. A completely intuitive musician. He moves like
an animal. (Mimes the moving gestures of a panther.) Gosh, he is just pure
theater - standing in the middle of a room and putting on his guitar and
turning on his amp. All his stuff is irregular. He's a killer, man. A great
spirit. Like a pirate. He's a complete gentleman.
Nobody's ever (cut my hair since I was 14). I mean, a few chicks have had a snip here and there when I'm asleep. The Samson bit. Those damned Delilahs! Otherwise, no. I never say I'm going to cut my hair. I just walk into the bathroom and there's a pair of scissors and I say, That bit's got to go.
We were
always more into the Rolling Stones' music, then the life-style that was
supposed to go with it. I always have mixed feelings about meeting people,
but Keith didn't turn out to be the way a lot of people portray him. I
found him, musically speaking, very much in love. It's a light people have
in their eyes, or don't have, or often a light that goes out as people
accept the bribes that they're offered. As they go through their musical
lives they're bought off not just with hard cash, but with other interests.
There are many side roads and back streets to rock and roll, and most of
us get lost down them at times. But I found Keith to be very much on the
main road. He was still in love with music. You can see that all his infamy
and fortune don't matter much to him. When he puts on the guitar lines
disappear from his face.
Well,
I've always been (a Rolling Stone), from the start of... if you want to
call it my professional career. And I never wanted to be anything else.
For the last couple of years I've had to deal with NOT being one. At first
it almost broke my heart. What I've learned from not being a Rolling Stone
for 2 years probably will help me be, if the Stones come back together,
which they will, will help me be... what can I say - a better Rolling
Stone? (laughs) Or make the Rolling Stones better. I have a little
more confidence in myself, by myself. I found that I can, if I have to,
live without the Rolling Stones. And that my only job isn't desperately
trying to keep a band together that maybe needed a break.
He's
incredibly loyal. That's endearing. He's loyal to a fault.
(C)hicks
see the other side of me, which guys don't. I have a good empathy with
women. I mean, nobody has ever divorced ME.
I cry
quite often. I look at a picture of my grandfather sometimes, listening
to music that he loved.
(W)hy
do people have hobbies? They're working their guts out doing something
they don't really like to do, but they just happen to have caught a job
and do it, and at night they go home and on the weekends they have a hobby.
They are working to get those few hours to spend on their hobby, when that's
the area they should really be working in... (My profession is my hobby.)
Didn't expect it to become a living or to become a star. I mean, that's
the other thing - fame. That can screw you. People come up and ask me about
this and that, and I say, You're talking to a madman. I mean, my
view of the world is totally distorted. Since 18, I've had chicks throwing
themselves at me, and I turned the little teenage dream into reality like
that (snaps fingers) by a miracle, God knows how. And therefore my view
is gonna be distorted, at the very least.
Keith
is very much a friend. If you are with Keith you are with him for
life. He is very honourable like that and very close. We don’t say
much, we just look at each other... He (is) a very quiet guy actually,
very quiet. He is nothing like his image.
(E)ventually
I found out that I'm better than I thought I was. Growing up, no matter
what anybody else is saying about you - you're fantastic or whatever -
you're always saying to yourself, I'm inadequate. I'm just this mere
shell. But you fill the shell up, you know? And I kind of feel like
I'm half-full.
I'm
still trying to grow up, man. It's all still an amazing adventure to me,
the whole thing. Wow.